they that president obama has no credibility with house republicans on a number of different issues but this one in particular. he's too happy to use it as a political issue against them. essentially, their argument is that you -- you're uniquely positioned to be able to do this, because you've earned trust with them. first, how do you describe your role in that? and what's the best role for president obama as this bill goes through congress? should he stay quiet and stay in the white house? are there calls he can make that won't ruin this? what's the best role for him? >> first of all, when i spoke, the president called a few of us to a meeting last january and asked us for our advice. a few of us, suggested him not to draw up a bill. we said to him, mr. president, you need to go around this country and use that bully pulpit to make sure that everybody understands what is necessary and to explain and educate the american public about the importance of comprehensive immigration and the urgency. but we asked him not to draw up the bill. some of his aids decided not wid standing our advic